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[gb2world]

It appears the need to apply the patches depends if you have third party mods that use "old module initialization routine" as opposed to "new module initialization routine". From what I can tell reading the Knowledge Base - the cart will perform better using the new initialization routine. But since there was not advance communication of this change to 3rd party developers, now it is confusing if we have 3rd party mods with "old" or with "new" initialization routine. So the QT solution was to make a switch in the admin - either support all "old" or all "new". (? not sure if you can have mixed old vs new?)

To complicate - depending on when you downloaded the distribution or upgrades - you may need to apply patches.

This is extremely sloppy planning, testing and release procedures. It is confusing and leaves me not knowing for sure what to do other than ask all the third party providers to provided modules that support "new module initialization routine" for 4.4.3 and ignore the recently released patches. Hopefully that will work.

Is it correct that "old module initialization routine" option is only required if you have third party mods that have not already made adjustments for the 4.4.3 changes? If some of them have and some of them have not - then you would have to make them all one way or the other.

Can anyone who has a really good handle on this confirm that the best advise is to use only mods that have made adjustments for "new module initialization routine" and ignore these patches?

Then - to upgrade from 4.4.3 to 4.4.4 - you won't have to un-apply the patch. And - you may as well start asking 3rd party developers to supply "new module initialization routine" if you have not already done so. It looks like it will be un advisable for anyone to stick with 4.4.3 anyway.

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[cflsystems]

@ Sergey - I downloaded upgrade packs again and yes patches are now there, thank you

@ Sergey - this is the second time gb2world is asking about new/old init routine and no answer - can we mix and match or is either the one or the other?

Oh and ya balinor is right - scrap 4.4.3 and release 4.4.4 that fixes the 4.4.3 mess as it is really a mess

[FiberGuy]

Originally Posted by kustomrides

Am I to understand that those of us who upgraded with the old setup need to apply these two patches?:

http://help.qtmsoft.com/index.php?title=File:Patch_add_new_module_initiali zation443.diff

http://help.qtmsoft.com/index.php?title=File:Patch_add_new_module_initiali zation443.sql

Yes, essentially we're having to patch a defective patch. Any guesses what the next step will be?

[gb2world]

I still think the best advise may be to ignore these patches unless you have a whole bunch of add-on modules that have not been already adjusted to work. If most of your mods are working, it seems it would just be best to focus on the mods that need to be updated. See if the vendors will help you. If not, the KB link posted above tells how to make the necessary changes. I suspect this patch is only to help people who use a bunch of mods that have yet to be updated. If you have even one mod that has been updated, then it may be better to start getting all of them updated. Vendors will have to do it for 4.4.4 anyway - unless QT tells us one of the settings will support both old and new initialization routines. If some setting supports both - then the patch just lets you go to "new" when everything is ready. If it is either "all new" or "all old", then it depends on the status of all your mods.

If QT had not released this patch - I think I would be able to go to a vendors site and select a mod that they had stated works for 4.4.3. Now - I have no idea what to select from a vendor's site unless they say "new initialization routine" or "old initialization routine".

Or - it is entirely possible that I don't know what the heck is going on. I am the "average punter" for whom this is clear as mud that Phil described in his post above. Maybe just "punt" until 4.4.4 comes out and hope that all the vendors understand this and know what to do.


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[seyfin]

Dear Gabriel (gb2world),

I am sorry for not answering to your questions earlier. I will prepare comprehensive answers to all your questions in a couple of hours. Thank you for your patience.

[seyfin]

Originally Posted by kustomrides

Am I to understand that those of us who upgraded with the old setup need to apply these two patches?:

http://help.qtmsoft.com/index.php?title=File:Patch_add_new_module_initiali zation443.diff

http://help.qtmsoft.com/index.php?title=File:Patch_add_new_module_initiali zation443.sql

Users who upgraded with the old setup need to apply these patches.

Users running regular 4.4.3 installation need to apply these patches as well.

These patches restore the old module initialization routine (which was removed in 4.4.3), as well as add a new option in the admin back-end to enable/disable the new module initialization routine.

This new option can be used to eliminate possible compatibility issues with the add-on modules which do not support the new module initialization routine.

If you have any add-on module which do not support the new module initialization routine, it is recommended to keep the new option disabled.

[seyfin]

Originally Posted by balinor

Why not just release a 4.4.4 to fix the mess you made with 4.4.3? Now you are going to confuse the hell out of everyone who already upgraded to 4.4.3 and most likely make it impossible for them to upgrade to 4.4.4.

Upgrade packs to 4.4.4 will take into consideration all possible cases:

1) Those who have regular 4.4.3 installation and the patches NOT applied.

2) Those who have regular 4.4.3 installation + the patches applied.

3) Those who have 4.4.3 upgraded with the old upgrade packs and the patches NOT applied.

4) Those who have 4.4.3 upgraded with the old upgrade packs + the patches applied.

5) Those who have 4.4.3 upgraded with the new upgrade packs (no patches is needed).

Regular 4.4.4 installation will include the patches (i.e. it will support both new and old module initialization routines, as well as the option in the admin back-end to enable/disable the new module initialization routine).

[FiberGuy]

Originally Posted by seyfin

Upgrade packs to 4.4.4 will take into consideration all cases:

1) Those who have regular 4.4.3 installation and the patches NOT applied.

2) Those who have have 4.4.3 upgraded with the old upgrade packs and the patches NOT applied.

3) Those who have regular 4.4.3 installation + the patches applied.

4) Those who have 4.4.3 upgraded with the old upgrade packs + the patches applied.

5) Those who have 4.4.3 upgraded with the new upgrade packs.

Sergey, you do realize just how confusing and potentially devastating this can be to the average user who doesn't have full-time support to keep tabs on this stuff, don't you?

I'm fortunate that I can devote part of my day to the forums, and keep reasonably updated withe the latest information - but many ecommerce vendors are not. They want specific instructions and "how-to's"

Is Qualiteam willing to foot the bill on the many support request that I foresee on:
1) incorrect upgrade being applied
~AND~
2) detailed answers to the question, "Which upgrade do I need, can you please look at my site?"

[seyfin]

Originally Posted by gb2world

Do third party mod vendors now have to provide options for mods that are compatible with the "old module initialization routine" and the "new module initialization routine"? Or, is there still only one mod version per x-cart major version?

Typical installations have 3rd party mods installed from a range of vendors. Do all the third party mods have to be consistent within a single installation? In other words - all mods in a single x-cart 4.4.3 installation must use either "old module initialization routine" or "new module initialization routine"?

Do the third parties need to supply mods with both old and new installation routines? Previously - we would purchase a mod from a vendor based on the x-cart major version. We would see a "4.4.x" selection in the pull down.

Now - would we also have to select an option like this when purchasing mods?:
4.4.1-3 old module initialization routine
4.4.3-x new module initialization routine

Third party mod vendors DO NOT have to provide options for mods that are compatible with the "old module initialization routine" and the "new module initialization routine".

Third party mod vendors are recommended to adjust their existing mods for 4.4 (in other words, release new versions of their mods for 4.4) in order to bring their mods to compliance with the new module initialization routine. The necessary changes are described in the Knowledge Base. When properly done, the new mod versions will support both old and new initialization routines.

If your X-Cart store 4.4.3 (or later) has ANY add-on modules that do NOT support the new module initialization routine, it is recommended to keep the option "Use new module initialization routine" DISABLED. When disabled, the program will use the old module initialization routine.

The add-on modules which support the new module initialization routine, will still operate correctly with the option "Use new module initialization routine" DISABLED.

[cherie]

Originally Posted by balinor

Why not just release a 4.4.4 to fix the mess you made with 4.4.3? Now you are going to confuse the hell out of everyone who already upgraded to 4.4.3 and most likely make it impossible for them to upgrade to 4.4.4.

Yes, this should have been released as 4.4.4.