well i check permissions several times and they are set to the proper permissions and it is under the proper owner. i can't seem to still figure out why they don't apear in the html editor. Right now i downloaded all themplates and am editing them locally on my machine and then pasting them into the template editor. it's annoying because sometimes i just want to get to the code quickly instead of navigating my machine to find the right one. Oh well...until we pay for tech support i'm on the broken handle of this.
thanks for the help though
