thanks J
I really appreciate the help but
No cigar :{ - same results the form remains hidden without the click box visible. am going to try and figure this out yet
If anyone else is reading this post and has a solution I would really appreciate the help. I am working with a client that is driving me crazy about this of all things.
I need to try and solve it ASAP before I do something to them I might regret

best
Scott V