[fotodog13]

A good idea
I tried that - but did not change anything.

I think I am going to have to probably try to redo the header.
Maybe its picking up something from the top_menu.tpl, or the tabs.tpl

Neither of these are showing padding though.

Heres a dumb question, don't know if it makes sense. Hope I can explain it right.

Before I redo the header could I try this to see if I can isolate the problem source.

go the head.tpl and edit out {**} top_menu.tpl. to see if that changes anything, if so then open that .tpl and then edity out tab.tpl

Or would this not matter or work ?

Does the top_menu.tpl need to be active for the head.tpl to display
If I can p roceed like this it may at least tell me what is causing the problem.