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It was the template_c folder. Once I cleaned that out it solved it. Wow, what a pain, why was this so hard and why does it cache the template?

Is this because I set files to be in filesystem and not in DB?

If so what do you recommend. It seemed odd to keep in sql, too many request on server, but if I should leave them on it I will.

My goal was to make columns for sub cat in v4. Is this too much to ask. thanks again for the help.